>> that's one of the reasons the republicans have such a problem with obama care, for example. we are talking about moving away from employer-based, in a sense, requirement of where you work for your safety net and really saying everybody should have it and, by the way, everybody is going to put in towards t a lot of employers are having a problem. for once, we are telling them, people need to be insured. it would have been better in my opinion if it wasn't health care insurance form. >> just health care reform. >> this is a route going down towards what we need, which is that all americans should have an ability to walk in at a very local arena and get a physical, get a checkup. if something is wrong with them, start down the road to improving their health. when we see that happen, i can't tell you how many businesses are scared to death of the fact that we are finally going to push back on them and say, you need to also take care of your employees. >> the better solution is to take it off the back of small business. my sons and i have a business. why are we spending any time